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Comedy Central Nails the War on Christmas

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Is Jon Stewart actually right about the war on Christmas?

YES.

Well, mostly. He’s missing the other side of the absurdity — the blatant abuse of Christmas by the Freedom From Religion Foundation and the American Humanist Association.

But his points on Bill O’Reilly and Sarah Palin are dead on correct.

The “war on Christmas” is perpetuated by the continual call for alarm where there is none. Yes, the occasional school gets out of line and folks have to remind them that the courts have said that Christmas music in schools are OK. And yes, the FFRF and AHA and others are suing frivolously to advance their agenda of faithlessness. And yes some retailer are saying naughty things such as “Happy Holidays”.

But does all that constitute a “war” on Christmas?

Have you seen Christmas diminish in any way? Have you seen a Berlin-style ban on Christmas in the USA?

Just who is absurd here?

95 percent of people feel the War on Christmas is absurd for some of the very reasons Stewart hilariously illustrates.



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Santa Danny

Ok, We get the point. The creator of "Defend Christmas" doesn’t think there is a war on Christmas and is also not fond of Fox News or Sarah Palin. I love how this person criticized Sarah Palin for publishing a book about the war on Christmas at Christmas time: "Her publishing a book some 45-days before Christmas makes her guilty of commercializing Christmas as much as anyone. When this book was announced in March would have been a better time for her to make her case." but we keep getting bombarded with these news stories from "Defend Christmas" right here in December.  I really wish we could leave politics and religion at the door when we enter Clausnet, There are so many other places to discuss these subjects.

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Jeff Westover

Ah...sad to see one who is a public face of Christmas to many not understand Christmas. If you don't contribute to the solution you're part of the problem.

 

http://defendchristmas.com/you-dont-understand-this-website/

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Santa Danny

Mr. Westover, you are the one who does not understand the TRUE meaning of Christmas. And as for the problem, I could and do say the same about you.

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Santa Johnathan

Regardless of side, regardless of cause, regardless of politics, regardless of religion, the "Defend Christmas" site is rot with opinion. Opinion, regardless of how well meaning you are, is always open for debate and will draw out those that have differing opinions. I will be the cheesy one and say, "can't we all just get along." "Defend Christmas" is certainly not a news source, as much as it might want to be, it's a blog...and with all blogs, must try to demonstrate it has relevance to readership. It has made good points, and has differed in opinion to how I feel occasionally...whatever, I do not come to Clausnet for that...and had never heard of the site until I was here. 

 

I truly believe there is a war on Christmas but "war" might be a bit harsh in the word selection. There is a "war" on Christmas in that the Christmas I chose to celebrate, and the Christmas my children celebrate now, it very much different and I as a parent must supplement a lot. The Christmas I celebrate with all the religious meaning behind it, has been taken away. It means I put my children in private school and they can sing "Silent Night" with all of their hearts. 

 

This "war" often comes in the form of our own choosing though. In our own fear oftentimes of wanting to be taken as sincere, tolerant, understanding, and dare I say...politically correct. The problem lies when we want everyone to feel welcome, we want everyone to feel represented, but we each believe things that do the exact opposite of that to others. Does my nativity or "silent night" singing offend someone? ...it most certainly does but to some, they cry "offended" not because they truly are, but because there is an agenda to pass.

 

At the same time, when we look at modern news, it's all blown out of context. Both sides are made to look bigger, huge, angry, that's what sells. It's a WAR!!!! RUN!!!! Well, again..."war" to me seams a harsh word.  

 

I do not think there is something wrong with saying "Happy Holidays." I personally, even as I portray Santa, will say, "Happy Holiday and Merry Christmas." - that's my norm. 

 

We have the freedom to believe what we want, we have the freedom to worship how we choose, for some, the problem is this country has never separated church and state, it might look good on paper...but it's never been done. Regardless of religion...there has always been a fundamental "God" at the center of those beliefs...this is not true any longer and the changes that come about from this are quite saddening as our culture changes in this litigious society. 

 

Let's focus on portraying Santa. 

 

And one word of note, this post is filled with opinion...you can choose to be offended or take it with a grain of salt and move along...either way is okay with me. Happy Holiday and Merry Christmas!

 

Also, Santa Danny...you set the bar high for us Santas. Continue doing what you do and spread that Christmas cheer!

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Santa Danny

Also, Santa Danny...you set the bar high for us Santas. Continue doing what you do and spread that Christmas cheer!

Thanks Santa Johnathan! I appreciate your kind words. I should have not responded to this post and let it pass like most others do on these re-posts from "Defending Christmas" but I let this one get under my skin. I do not like seeing this stuff on Clausnet and I apologize for adding to it. Merry Christmas everyone! Just 20 more days!

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SCSanta

Ah...sad to see one who is a public face of Christmas to many not understand Christmas. If you don't contribute to the solution you're part of the problem.

 

http://defendchristmas.com/you-dont-understand-this-website/

 

 

Mr. Westover, you are the one who does not understand the TRUE meaning of Christmas. And as for the problem, I could and do say the same about you.

 

 

Danny, I would never imagine that you don't understand the meaning of Christmas and I am shocked that someone would suggest such a thing. Of course, I have taken the time to get to know you a little and we have talked and shared a few meals together, so what do I know?

 

I fail to understand how someone could make the leap that not agreeing with a person's blog is the same as not understanding Christmas. As if there were only one way to understand Christmas!!! 

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Michael Rielly

Everyone has an opinion and everyone is allowed to express their particular point of view! Disagreements are expected and debate is encouraged. On this site you are not required to respect other opinions, but you must respect the person's right to express it.

 
I am often asked, "why do you include these feeds from other sites?" The reason is simple. The purpose of this site is not to just post pictures of yourself and boast about how great you are. The purpose of ClausNet is to generate discussions, exchange ideas, and pass on what we have learned to the next generation of Santas and Mrs. Clauses. This has always been the objective and the mission of ClausNet; and if it isn't obvious, the Santa Claus Oath and the International Santa Claus Hall of Fame.
 
I also hear, "that's just a blog site, it's not news". Really? Show me ONE "news" organization today that is NOT opinion or laced with a particular point of view. AP? Reuters? CNN? MSNBC? ABC? CBS? Huffington Post? FOX? People that complain about bloggers or social networks do not understand the new media. Social Networks, which includes and actually began as bloggers, has exposed more "news" in the past 10 years than any "news organization". 

 

If all you want from an online community is to post your pictures, boast, and slap each other on the back, then I suggest Facebook may be a better alternative. 

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Jeff Westover

Defend Christmas doesn't pretend to be a news site or a blog. It merely archives the needless exploitation of Christmas by those who use it as a vehicle to promote issues unrelated to Christmas. Christmas is peace and goodwill. If there is one lesson of nearly 20 years of operating Christmas communities it is that most people from most areas of the world despite whatever faith (or lack of faith, even) love Christmas and want it left alone so they can celebrate it in their own way. But it's not -- it's used by everyone from Fox News to Greenpeace to promote their agendas and sell their goods.

 

The fact that it is here may or may not be relevant to some. If it isn't relative to you, that's fine. I'm certain there are other items of value to you on Clausnet. What you may not know is that Defend Christmas receives a lot of feedback from this community away from Clausnet because many here are engaged in the conversations of Christmas and concerned with what they are seeing out there.

 

There has NEVER been a time in history when Christmas hasn't mixed with religion and politics. It is an age old conversation and it won't end here.

 

And is it any coincidence the majority of stories come out the first week of December?

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Santa Johnathan

Everyone has an opinion and everyone is allowed to express their particular point of view! Disagreements are expected and debate is encouraged. On this site you are not required to respect other opinions, but you must respect the person's right to express it.

 
I am often asked, "why do you include these feeds from other sites?" The reason is simple. The purpose of this site is not to just post pictures of yourself and boast about how great you are. The purpose of ClausNet is to generate discussions, exchange ideas, and pass on what we have learned to the next generation of Santas and Mrs. Clauses. This has always been the objective and the mission of ClausNet; and if it isn't obvious, the Santa Claus Oath and the International Santa Claus Hall of Fame.
 

 

I agree with you Michael, it does no good living in a fog and not knowing what's going on in the world of Christmas...we certainly have an interest in the subject for sure. I appreciate reading what's going on in the world of Christmas at times. But it certainly feels like at times, our friend "Hermey" is just trying to start something around here and stir the pot. And, while an epic Santa Claus "Jets and Sharks" dance routine alla West Side Story could be cool to watch...there is so much more worth our time, efforts, and energy. ;) Haha We must respect a person's right to express themselves, but it certainly should also be done respectfully too. Danny was commenting on "Defend Christmas" but Jeff seemed to make it personal against Danny.

 

It would certainly be nice to have an option to click "no" to the automated topics pulled from the web and posted here...but that's just wishful thinking. While I personally like to read what's going on, I must say...during the moment of Christmas, during the season, it just makes me sad and seems to SPAM my Christmas cheer with negativity. I would rather spend my time learning to be a better Santa, not "post pictures, boast, and slap each other on the back" but that is part of it for some, that's the social aspect that makes Clausnet fun too...but there is major studying that goes on here too which is also wonderful and a great support for each other. You Michael, have created something special here.  

 

I have learned to ignore "Hermey" when I'm not in the mood...but sometimes, the topic title sucks me in. When I read someone that pretty much stays behind the scenes write something as Jeff did to Santa Danny who is very much a contributor that I respect...it makes me sad. This is Christmas...no time for negative around here if we can help it...the world is doing enough of that as it is. This should be the place for our wonderful Santas to recharge, to feel inspired, and ready for another great day doing great things and getting help when they need it. 

 

 

Christmas is peace and goodwill. If there is one lesson of nearly 20 years of operating Christmas communities it is that most people from most areas of the world despite whatever faith (or lack of faith, even) love Christmas and want it left alone so they can celebrate it in their own way. But it's not -- it's used by everyone from Fox News to Greenpeace to promote their agendas and sell their goods.

 

I completely agree with you here. And it seems whenever there is an issue where someone can take sides, the sides are ALWAYS exaggerated by the other...it sells more when you can make a bigger deal and point a bigger finger out of the other. It's just sad. 

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Michael Rielly

I agree with you Michael, it does no good living in a fog and not knowing what's going on in the world of Christmas...we certainly have an interest in the subject for sure. I appreciate reading what's going on in the world of Christmas at times. But it certainly feels like at times, our friend "Hermey" is just trying to start something around here and stir the pot. And, while an epic Santa Claus "Jets and Sharks" dance routine alla West Side Story could be cool to watch...there is so much more worth our time, efforts, and energy. ;) Haha We must respect a person's right to express themselves, but it certainly should also be done respectfully too. Danny was commenting on "Defend Christmas" but Jeff seemed to make it personal against Danny.

 

It would certainly be nice to have an option to click "no" to the automated topics pulled from the web and posted here...but that's just wishful thinking. While I personally like to read what's going on, I must say...during the moment of Christmas, during the season, it just makes me sad and seems to SPAM my Christmas cheer with negativity. I would rather spend my time learning to be a better Santa, not "post pictures, boast, and slap each other on the back" but that is part of it for some, that's the social aspect that makes Clausnet fun too...but there is major studying that goes on here too which is also wonderful and a great support for each other. You Michael, have created something special here.  

 

I have learned to ignore "Hermey" when I'm not in the mood...but sometimes, the topic title sucks me in. When I read someone that pretty much stays behind the scenes write something as Jeff did to Santa Danny who is very much a contributor that I respect...it makes me sad. This is Christmas...no time for negative around here if we can help it...the world is doing enough of that as it is. This should be the place for our wonderful Santas to recharge, to feel inspired, and ready for another great day doing great things and getting help when they need it. 

 

 

 

I completely agree with you here. And it seems whenever there is an issue where someone can take sides, the sides are ALWAYS exaggerated by the other...it sells more when you can make a bigger deal and point a bigger finger out of the other. It's just sad. 

 

I've posted this multiple times. You can configure what content you see here using your personal settings.

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Santa Johnathan

I've posted this multiple times. You can configure what content you see here using your personal settings.

Please forgive my ignorance...I'll check it out. 

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St.nickolasmillikan

Its truly simple Christmas is not going anywhere as Santa's we will not let it there are just some people in this world that like to complain about everything.

I have never seen some one with a Jamaica on and thought how dare he or stopped a nun and asked her to not to go out in to public in her habit, it would be the same as if I was to start a group that didn't like cats and we wanted all cats removed from public view and let no kid be seen with a cat t-shirt on in schools is offensive, that's ridicules but its the same thing that's happening today a group of people don't like Christmas for what ever reason and want it stopped I truly think as a people we need to start showing love instead of hating someone because they don't do things the same way as you do but that's just my :m2c: .   

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