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We warned you last June. Now watch it happen. The “war on Christmas” headlines will soon take a turn by a so-called anti-Christmas measure called the Christmas Tree Tax. Let’s set the record straight right now: this has nothing to do with Christmas.

As part of the much debated Farm Bill which if not passed has threatened to raise milk prices to as much as $8 a gallon there is a provision within that funds an assessment on Christmas trees. That’s all code words for money. Some are going to promote this as a means of picking your pocket in a Scrooge-like way every time you head out in the family sleigh to cut down a Christmas tree.

Taint so.

They want to set up a marketing effort much like what already exists for milk and beef. (“Milk, it does a body good” and “Beef, It’s what’s for dinner” are marketing pushes funded by government-run advisory boards, who knew?) These industry specific government-run collectives promote farm industries at the expense of the industry. That means the tax doesn’t come out of the pocket of the consumer but rather from the farmer. (Who in turn passes that cost on to the consumer).

Those for the bill will say that supporting it actually supports the American Christmas tree grower who is fighting the imperialist Chinese artificial Christmas tree manufacturers who destroy Christmas by selling a product that cannot be recycled and is bad for the environment.

Those against the bill — and there are plenty — will say a vote for this measure is a vote against Christmas because, doggone it, we’re taxed enough at Christmas already.

Either way, Christmas loses.

So, for the record, this isn’t about Christmas. Christmas won’t end if this bill wins or loses.



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Chatham Santa

Scrooge is alive and well and living in D.C.!!!!

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Santa Joel

Makes me wonder, if you buy a tree, is it going to have a tag on it saying the tree tax has to be paid?

Psst, don't tell anyone. I'm sneaking out to the woods after dark to cut me a tree. I ain't paying no tax. just kidding

When are these idiots going to get some common sense? The "other white meat" and the like, associations. Don't they understand that if there is any extra fee added to the product to pass on to the consumer, therefore, raising the price, that item is less likely to be purchase?

Just another example of over government. 

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SCSanta

Scrooge is alive and well and living in D.C.!!!!

 

 

Makes me wonder, if you buy a tree, is it going to have a tag on it saying the tree tax has to be paid?

Psst, don't tell anyone. I'm sneaking out to the woods after dark to cut me a tree. I ain't paying no tax. just kidding

When are these idiots going to get some common sense? The "other white meat" and the like, associations. Don't they understand that if there is any extra fee added to the product to pass on to the consumer, therefore, raising the price, that item is less likely to be purchase?

Just another example of over government. 

 

 

The 'tax' is 15-20 CENTS per tree. That means if you are going to buy 50 fresh cut trees in your lifetime, you will need to kick in $10 more over that period. The money is used for a marketing campaign to promote Christmas tree growers in the United States and is a part of a much larger farm bill...not a 'bulls-eye' on Christmas.  The name 'Scrooge' might better describe those not willing to give up the extra 20 cents a year. If someone is going to stop buying a fresh cut Christmas tree because the price went from $50 to $50.20, I suspect nothing would make them happy. If I can support farmers by handing over the loose change I find between the seats of my car, I say "Ho, Ho, Ho...Merry Christmas" rather than "Bah...Humbug"!

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Chris Capstone

If I were the a Christmas tree grower I'd rather form a private trade group and control the money for a PR campaign privately.  The government has no business promoting one private industry over another anyway (I know that genii got out of the bottle long ago, but it's still something not envisioned in the constitution by our founders.)

 

I can assure you, the growers will someday regret giving the government that control.  The power to tax is the power to destroy.

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Santa Marty

Well said Chris

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Santa Postman Pat

Much ado about nothing, but since WE ALL gladly took tax cuts, I can see how we show our "love" for funding democracy....


Ps- GIving an actual VALUE to your time, could prevent pointless posts...like this.

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SCSanta

<snip> The power to tax is the power to destroy.

 

It is also the power to create great things, as well as a way to defend our freedom and to give help to 'the least of these my brethren' among us in their time of need. As in all things, we need to find balance. 

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Chris Capstone

It is also the power to create great things, as well as a way to defend our freedom and to give help to 'the least of these my brethren' among us in their time of need. As in all things, we need to find balance. 

 

I could not disagree with you more, but I'm still your friend.  :santa_smiley:  The power to tax is not the power to create anything.  It simply enables the government to take money from citizens to fund government.  I'm not suggesting there should be no taxes.  Taxes are the price of a civilized society.  While it is true that some taxes are used for good, the vast majority of tax dollars are wasted or "legally stolen" by people who have purchased connections to those in power.

 

I agree with the greatest of all the Chief Justices of the Supreme Court, John Marshall who stated in McCollouch V Maryland:

 

"...the power to tax involves the power to destroy,"

 

As for the government using tax dollars to help "the least of these my brethren"  I agree with Col. Davy Crockett, one of the greatest members of Congress in the history of this country when he stated on the House floor:

 

"I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity.  Every member upon this floor knows it.  We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money."

 

Of course that Genii escaped the bottle long ago.  Now we have a gigantic welfare state and are monetizing our public debt and debauching our currency to keep it going.  It's purpose is mainly to buy votes.  But hey, at least were "helping people."  :santa_cheesy: 

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SCSanta

I could not disagree with you more, but I'm still your friend.  :santa_smiley:  The power to tax is not the power to create anything.  It simply enables the government to take money from citizens to fund government.  I'm not suggesting there should be no taxes.  Taxes are the price of a civilized society.  While it is true that some taxes are used for good, the vast majority of tax dollars are wasted or "legally stolen" by people who have purchased connections to those in power.

 

I agree with the greatest of all the Chief Justices of the Supreme Court, John Marshall who stated in McCollouch V Maryland:

 

"...the power to tax involves the power to destroy,"

 

As for the government using tax dollars to help "the least of these my brethren"  I agree with Col. Davy Crockett, one of the greatest members of Congress in the history of this country when he stated on the House floor:

 

"I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity.  Every member upon this floor knows it.  We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money."

 

Of course that Genii escaped the bottle long ago.  Now we have a gigantic welfare state and are monetizing our public debt and debauching our currency to keep it going.  It's purpose is mainly to buy votes.  But hey, at least were "helping people."  :santa_cheesy: 

 

We actually agree on more than it might look. I completely agree with your statement that "Taxes are the price of a civilized society."   There are so many vocal champions of 'No Taxation' as an absolute way of life, that I shudder to think of what their idea of society might be...300 million people with a line item veto? We also seem to agree that the complete opposite is true. There is wasteful, special interest spending going on and we only know a fraction of it. That is why I made the statement "As in all things, we need to find a balance" 
 
There is a significant difference between Justice Marshall's quote and yours, however. Justice Marshall writes that the power to tax involves the power to destroy. I think that word was very deliberate and thought out, because it affects the perception of the sentiment behind the entire phrase.
 
​There is serious need for tax and spending reform...I just think there is a limited number of times that we can sound the trumpets to rally the troops before the noise blends into the background and goes unnoticed, and I suggest that a 15 cent tax on a Christmas tree is a weak rally point.
 
BTW...I'm glad you're still my friend and we have the opportunity to agree and disagree about our government as much as we like.  :santa_smiley:  There are too many countries around today who don't have that luxury.

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Chris Capstone

Touche' "involves" is vastly different than "is."  Just ask Bill Clinton!  :sc_wahoo:

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Santa Postman Pat

Whenever someone quotes outta context..... TO PROVE THEIR POINT, I argee...

 

 

They're OBVIOUSLY afraid of the actual point.

 

 

 

As for taxes DESTROYING or being "stolen", it's PURE RHETORIC & useless as an argument.

 

 

Ps- SHORTING A QUOTE ? Come on !!!

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Santa Postman Pat

" While it is true that some taxes are used for good, the vast majority of tax dollars are wasted or "legally stolen" by people who have purchased connections to those in power."

 

 

CHORTLE< CHORTLE< CHORTLE.... If it's legal, it's NOT stolen !!!!

 

 

Guess, we COULD ask Cheney for the heart back, huh ?

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Chris Capstone

Whenever someone quotes outta context..... TO PROVE THEIR POINT, I argee...

 

 

They're OBVIOUSLY afraid of the actual point.

 

 

 

As for taxes DESTROYING or being "stolen", it's PURE RHETORIC & useless as an argument.

 

 

Ps- SHORTING A QUOTE ? Come on !!!

 

LOL is it anything like using giant fonts?  :sc_wahoo:   Careful Santa, you wouldn't want to get overheated in your little Santy Clause suit.  :santa_wink:  Incidentally if you read the thread you will note that my initial statement did not contain a quote.  I simply made a statement.  In a subsequent post I did use a quote, I used quotation marks, and the quote was accurate.  Nice try though.  You get an A for being inflammatory and and F for accuracy.  :sc_fnar:

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Santa Postman Pat

If you had a point, I missed it in your pointless blathering.....

 

 

If the fonts bother you, perhaps it's because you have no actual VALID complaint....skippy.

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Santa Postman Pat

Yeah, "accurate" ???

 

In his decision, Chief Justice Marshall said: “That the power of taxing it [the bank] by the States may be exercised so as to destroy it, is too obvious to be denied”

, and “That the power to tax involves the power to destroy … [is] not to be denied.

 

 

Taxing banks isn't different,, HUH ???

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Chris Capstone

If you had a point, I missed it in your pointless blathering.....

 

 

If the fonts bother you, perhaps it's because you have no actual VALID complaint....skippy.

 

I would match you in a battle of wits, but I see you are completely unarmed.  Farewell Santa grumpy pants, I must move on.

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Santa Postman Pat

Rhetoric &  ignoring forum rules ?...

 

WOW !

 

 

Looks like a poor loser....'

 

 

Gee, I have to ask myself, why you can't use FACTS to discuss !

 

 

LMAO !
 

 

 

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SCSanta

And the Christmas cheer keeps building and building... :confused:

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Santa Postman Pat

All about Christmas cheer, but name calling is NOT included.

 

 

 

Ps - I reported it.

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Santa Postman Pat

I would match you in a battle of wits, but I see you are completely unarmed.  Farewell Santa grumpy pants, I must move on.

Oscar Wilde said,   "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man."

 

I see you're unoriginal, too ?

 

 

WOW, too EZ !!

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Santa Postman Pat

  (I know that genii got out of the bottle long ago, but it's still something not envisioned in the constitution by our founders.)

 

 

Like moon landings ???

 

 

WOW !

 

 

Got any VALID "ARGUMENTS", CLOWN ?

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Michael Rielly

Closing this post. I have no energy for negative grumpiness right now.  

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