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7 On Your Side gets letter from Santa asking for help

by Nina Pineda, WABC-TV/DT abc7 Eyewitness News, New York City | Posted: 05-11-2017, 6:06 PM EST

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DUNELLON, New Jersey (WABC) -- You don't want to get on the bad side of Santa, do you?

These are Santas who fill in when Santa gets too busy and can't make it down from the North Pole. One in New York, the other in New Jersey. But both sent out a letter to us when they both say they got grinched.

Santa's putting on his best chuckle, but he hasn't been feeling so jolly since last Christmas. He's talking about The Best Santa Claus Agency that books Santa's helpers - nationwide.

"I was like what going on here?", he said.

This popular Santa was booked to spread joy at phone store openings in our area. But he only got partial payment. "Grinched," out more than a grand.

"Christmas Eve I did two events in the Bronx," said Santa's helper, Rick Thomsen.

But, even though his checks stopped coming, Santa showed up on his busiest night of the year. "It's the season. It's the smiles, who gonna stiff Santa?" said Santa Rick.

"Who on Earth would want to rip off Santa Claus?" One Santa, Daniel Hanson says The Best Santa Claus Agency owes him too, more than $1300 in fees. He blames the company owner who calls herself Cindy Claus.

"She talked a big game, hired all these Santas nationwide," said Santa Daniel.

And ever since spreading Christmas cheer? Crickets.

"I shot 'em an email, no response, phone call no response message on Facebook, no response," said Santa Daniel.

So Santa shot an email to us. So we reached out to Cindy Claus.

"Oh my goodness so thank you merry much oh my goodness YES!!" said Santa Rick.

Finally presents for Santa, both paid in full.

We checked with the stores where Santa showed up, the parent company said they paid the agency on time.

So why didn't Cindy Claus pay her Santas?

She said she was "advised by her lawyer not to comment on this past situation." In all we helped recover more than $2300 for Santa. That should help get us on the nice list next holiday!

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Santa Johnny Boy

Maybe treat the Best Santa Claus Agency with a little caution if you have to go through this much trouble to get paid.

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Michael Rielly

I see Cindy is up to her old tricks.

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Eileen Strom
1 hour ago, Michael Rielly said:

I see Cindy is up to her old tricks.

This company, as well as Nationwide Santas (Gina Bacon), pull this stunt with regularity. You hear/read from Santas every year, year after year, about not or only partially getting paid. And that it takes months, sometimes into February and March before final payments are made...or as in this case MAY!

Why does anyone still continue to work for these outfits?

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Santa  Kevin

I'm so sorry that these Santa's are getting taken for a ride, and getting Grinched! If I were them I too would find another agency to work for,, lets not give these agencies or in this case one in particular, another chance to cheat our Fellow Santas....:angry:

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Santa Marty

This particular case doesn't involve a couple of Santas, but many.

BEWARE

Not paying Santa as contracted has been Cindy Claus' mode of operation for many years.  It gets worse year after year, and there is always a new crop of Santa's entering the industry who are unaware whom she can prey upon.

2 hours ago, Eileen Strom said:

Why does anyone still continue to work for these outfits?

In my opinion, too many people think that working as a mall Santa is the epitome of success and the pinnacle of one's Santa Claus career.  

Being a mall Santa is not easy, it takes a lot of stamina and involves many hours of of commitment.  The wear and tear coupled with stress and exposure to many communicative illnesses alone should give anyone pause to consider "is it worth it?"  

The pay?  Far less than what the average Santa was payed a couple of decades ago.  Once you understand that the agent is making as much or more than you do for your appearance you would understand Eileen's quoted question.  Combine the issue of not getting paid as contracted would really make you wonder how unscrupulous agents could continue to operate.  Not all agents are as unscrupulous as Cindy, there are some good ones.

What I really do not understand is why more ripped off Santas don't speak out.  I am happy that a few, as those in this news story have gone  public, It is however, just the tip of the iceberg.

5 hours ago, Michael Rielly said:

I see Cindy is up to her old tricks.

Nothing new, a Leopard can't change her spots.  And why should she, if the Claus Community puts up with her.

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Eileen Strom
14 minutes ago, Santa Marty said:

What I really do not understand is why more ripped off Santas don't speak out.  I am happy that a few, as those in this news story have gone  public, It is however, just the tip of the iceberg.

Nothing new, a Leopard can't change her spots.  And why should she, if the Claus Community puts up with her.

I wish more did speak out!

...And because the Santas do not speak out, she, and others like her, continue to dance their tune.

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Nick Hudson
39 minutes ago, Eileen Strom said:

I wish more did speak out!

...And because the Santas do not speak out, she, and others like her, continue to dance their tune.

Very hard to deface someone, most want to believe that people will do that re them.

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Michael Rielly
2 hours ago, Santa Marty said:

Nothing new, a Leopard can't change her spots.

:santa_lipsrsealed:

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Felix Estridge

There has been much fuming about this on Facebook.  She defends herself quite vapidly when it seems she is doing nothing but harming her business.

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Santa  Kevin

Someone should report her to the BBB..or the FTC, only my opinion, and yes Santa Marty the Mall gigs are very difficult, I did this for 3 seasons.

Best of luck with All of our Fellow Santas  :kosn:  :kcic:

Remember The Reason For The Season 

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Felix Estridge

Here is the difference between my agency and these.  My agency gives me a payment schedule when I sign the contract each year for Neiman Marcus.  I get payments during the season to pay out the hours I work.  And they are all on time every single year.  Guess when NM pays them?  They just got the entire amount in one payment 2 weeks ago.  So my agent pays me WELL in advance of them getting paid.  Months in advance.  My agency has ethics and they do business ethically.  They could easily say, "We'll pay you when we get paid."  But they have a business to run and if their talent does not get paid on time, they loose business because the talent goes elsewhere.

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Nick Hudson

Last year I decided to stop using placement brokers. Did do 2 events for them but that was it. I decided we do the work and they get paid and one of the brokers I have noticed how much free time they have for thereselfs. I did get paid but I had the best year I have ever had. I couldn't of done it without Marty and his advice. 

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SCSanta

Just a tip when using a broker or agent for Santa or anything else...If the contract or agreement is incomplete, make sure it is complete to your satisfaction before signing it. If terms are not spelled out for time of payment or breaks or model release, etc. etc...then make sure you insist that those terms are added. You don't need to feel like you are being a prima donna or unreasonable. It is not unreasonable to have specific payment terms or working conditions spelled out in a contract...it is just good sense. If someone offers a vague contract and is resistant to having specific details outlined, then that is a HUGE red flag. For example...I have a very detailed paragraph that is added to every model release that I sign that protects me and the image of Santa Claus that I am representing. The addition of this paragraph is a deal breaker for me...but I have yet to have anyone refuse to add it to a contract. Don't be afraid to add your own Santa 'clause' to any contract that you feel is incomplete.

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Santa  Kevin

Hi SCSanta;

Can you tell me what kind of contract or an example of it to see and possible use when I work for an agency or Talent agent ?

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16 minutes ago, Kris Kringle Kevin said:

Hi SCSanta;

Can you tell me what kind of contract or an example of it to see and possible use when I work for an agency or Talent agent ?

I have several examples of different contracts I can send you (photo studio, parade, family visit, corporate visit) I don't often use talent or placement agencies, but on occasion when that sort of thing comes up, I just use their contract (because they will already have one that they insist on) and I just add clauses to it for both parties to sign. This happens often with commercial shoots and photo studios. Send me an email: santa@santasc.com and I will be happy to send you some samples that are ready for editing.

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Eileen Strom
18 hours ago, Felix Estridge said:

Here is the difference between my agency and these.  My agency gives me a payment schedule when I sign the contract each year for Neiman Marcus.  I get payments during the season to pay out the hours I work.  And they are all on time every single year.  Guess when NM pays them?  They just got the entire amount in one payment 2 weeks ago.  So my agent pays me WELL in advance of them getting paid.  Months in advance.  My agency has ethics and they do business ethically.  They could easily say, "We'll pay you when we get paid."  But they have a business to run and if their talent does not get paid on time, they loose business because the talent goes elsewhere.

A store/company taking forever to pay, and in this case, Nordstroms (when we were still in Calif.), and directly to us, not to an agency and then from them to us, is why Dave will not work for them again....ever! And they did try several times afterwords and were turned down.

He had been hired for 2 different closed store "special events" that were after hours special sale type of things for Nordstroms' high spending customers. 1 occurred in late Nov, and the other in early Dec. It was sometime in late February, before he was finally paid.

There is no excuse for delays such as these. The store knows the cost/fee required months ahead of time or it would have never have been able to book a Santa in the first place, let alone a good one, for the special event(s). Payment should be made at the event in these cases.

The 2nd year here in Texas, NM, through an agency, hired Dave for a closed store event like those similar to the Nordstroms type of things....never again! While the agency paid him that evening (and I have no idea when the agency was paid), the event itself was so disgusting, and not fun to do in any way. The store had an open bar, 2 or 3 of them spread throughout the stores levels...needless to say, by an hour into the 3 hr event, a fair percentage of the clientele were hammered. The store was packed too (I was there), every floor. The drunks were everywhere. At the close of the thing, it was all we could do to get out of there. While getting ready to leave, we saw many people who could barely stand, now waiting at the valet to get into their cars to go home! 3 women in particular could barely navigate out the double sets of doors to get outside, and find the open car doors right in front of them, but proceeded to get behind the wheel.

Looking back, we're should have called SAPD right there and then.

But for long term jobs, such as what Felix does for NM, and year in and year out repeatedly, to me, there is really NO excuse for payment to the hiring agency not to be made on time! You can't tell me that high end stores like these can't afford to payout to their vendors in a more timely manner.

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Santa  Kevin
15 minutes ago, SCSanta said:

I have several examples of different contracts I can send you (photo studio, parade, family visit, corporate visit) I don't often use talent or placement agencies, but on occasion when that sort of thing comes up, I just use their contract (because they will already have one that they insist on) and I just add clauses to it for both parties to sign. This happens often with commercial shoots and photo studios. Send me an email: santa@santasc.com and I will be happy to send you some samples that are ready for editing.

Thank you so much SCSanta..I'll email you now,,,,:spinthanks:

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19 hours ago, Felix Estridge said:

Here is the difference between my agency and these.  My agency gives me a payment schedule when I sign the contract each year for Neiman Marcus.  I get payments during the season to pay out the hours I work.  And they are all on time every single year.  Guess when NM pays them?  They just got the entire amount in one payment 2 weeks ago.  So my agent pays me WELL in advance of them getting paid.  Months in advance.  My agency has ethics and they do business ethically.  They could easily say, "We'll pay you when we get paid."  But they have a business to run and if their talent does not get paid on time, they loose business because the talent goes elsewhere.

Felix; What is the agency you work for and is there one in Ohio?

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54 minutes ago, Kris Kringle Kevin said:

Felix; What is the agency you work for and is there one in Ohio?

I work for B3 Entertainment in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area of Texas.  It is a local agency and in no other state.

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Thank you for your help Felix as usual you saved this Santa's bacon again...LOL :spinthanks:

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2 hours ago, Kris Kringle Kevin said:

Thank you so much SCSanta..I'll email you now,,,,:spinthanks:

I have sent them out to you...hope they help!

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Just now, SCSanta said:

I have sent them out to you...hope they help!

Got them and yes they are great..You have saved this Santa's bacon once again!!  Thanks!

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