Santa Claus Oath should be easier to find [SPLIT TOPIC]

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

You know, maybe we should make it easier to find the Santa Claus Oath here. I had to look around a bit before I found it. Paraphrased it a bit to cherrypick the parts relevant here, but the more often we quote it, the better off we will be, I think.

[Felix Estridge]

2 hours ago, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

You know, maybe we should make it easier to find the Santa Claus Oath here. I had to look around a bit before I found it. Paraphrased it a bit to cherrypick the parts relevant here, but the more often we quote it, the better off we will be, I think.

Its got its own category, so not sure how else to make it easier to find.

Also, whenever the Oath is referred to, please use it verbatim instead of paraphrasing, even when cherry-picking its content.  It is copyrighted.

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

Yes, I found the proxy category, but the instructions on that page refer to a date in 2010 and nothing since then, so are confusing as to whether it is current or not. Could be more clear.

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

And Felix, I did attribute my paraphrase to the Santa Claus Oath. That is all that is required by copyright. Otherwise one would have to repeat an entire book verbatim everytime one referred to it.

[Michael Rielly]

20 hours ago, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

You know, maybe we should make it easier to find the Santa Claus Oath here. I had to look around a bit before I found it. Paraphrased it a bit to cherrypick the parts relevant here, but the more often we quote it, the better off we will be, I think.

Pretty simple. It is at the very top of the page in it's own section:

 

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

Yes, but that is not "the very top of the page", but half way down the page. At the very top of the page is a legalistic reminder about using the Oath without violating its copyright (somewhat overstated, I might add). When one clicks on that category, the Santa Claus Oath is the sixth item on the page, not the first. It would be easier for everyone to find it and refer to it if it was the only thing on its own page after one clicks on a category, or at least the first item.

[Michael Rielly]

1 hour ago, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

Yes, but that is not "the very top of the page", but half way down the page. At the very top of the page is a legalistic reminder about using the Oath without violating its copyright (somewhat overstated, I might add).

The "legalistic reminder about using the Oath" you mentioned is simply an announcement. The staff is able to send out announcements periodically in various locations throughout the site -- including the header or top of page. Announcements are not intended as a permanent method of navigation. You are able to close the announcement if you no longer want to see it.

The section for the Santa Claus Oath is INDEED at the top of the discussion forums. But if you like you can always bookmark the link to this or any other particular discussion forum. Then it will be "at the top of the page". Here is the link for the Santa Claus Oath discussion:

https://clausnet.com/forums/forum/100-santa-claus-oath/

Additionally, you can use you personal preferences to view the content here in a variety of ways. You can also create personalize activity streams that will serve up information to you in the way that best suits your needs.

If you would like more information you can also visit the Santa Claus Oath website here:

https://santaclausoath.webs.com/

 

[Michael Rielly]

12 hours ago, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

Yes, I found the proxy category, but the instructions on that page refer to a date in 2010 and nothing since then, so are confusing as to whether it is current or not. Could be more clear.

https://santaclausoath.webs.com/finaloathceremonies.htm

[Michael Rielly]

Topic has been split off.

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

I DO beg your pardon. Obviously you know a great deal more about navigating around this website than I do, and are much more familiar with the topic than I. My comments were merely intended to assist you in making this MOST important content more accessible to those of us who are less familiar with the website than you are, so we may become more familiar with it. It was not my intention to offend you, Michael, only to help. The most direct route to content is usually the one followed most, and circuitous routes are soon abandoned short of arrival. The Santa Claus Oath is SO important as a behavioral guide and standard for Santas to live by, that I thought it should be made easier to access. Please forgive my impertinence.

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

PS: What does it mean when you say the topic has been split off? It's a mystery to me.

[Felix Estridge]

1 hour ago, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

PS: What does it mean when you say the topic has been split off? It's a mystery to me.

Meaning that what was being discussed has taken a different enough twist where it deserves its own topic from the original point of discussion.

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

Oh. Ok. Thought I was making a point about how important and useful the Oath is, and that folks shouldn't have to search high and low for it. My bad, I guess.

[Michael Rielly]

20 hours ago, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

Oh. Ok. Thought I was making a point about how important and useful the Oath is, and that folks shouldn't have to search high and low for it. My bad, I guess.

Not sure how I could make it any easier to find that it is now. It is literally ONE click.

What do you suggest? How can I make it easier to locate the Santa Claus Oath discussions?

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

Not sure. Is there anyway you can pin the Oath itself to the top of the discussion page, followed by the excellent historical material you have there now? I mean, people don't have a lot of patience when they look for something and the principal item for discussion is six items down in a list. Shouldn't the thing we are discussing come first, before the discussion begins? Just a thought. Thank you for your consideration. Maybe I've written too many academic books....

[Felix Estridge]

10 minutes ago, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

Not sure. Is there anyway you can pin the Oath itself to the top of the discussion page, followed by the excellent historical material you have there now? I mean, people don't have a lot of patience when they look for something and the principal item for discussion is six items down in a list. Shouldn't the thing we are discussing come first, before the discussion begins? Just a thought. Thank you for your consideration. Maybe I've written too many academic books....

The Oath is on its own official website here.  That website is the repository for the Oath and all related to it.  What is here is for discussion purposes and signature proxy access.

[Michael Rielly]

19 minutes ago, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

Not sure. Is there anyway you can pin the Oath itself to the top of the discussion page, followed by the excellent historical material you have there now? I mean, people don't have a lot of patience when they look for something and the principal item for discussion is six items down in a list. Shouldn't the thing we are discussing come first, before the discussion begins? Just a thought. Thank you for your consideration. Maybe I've written too many academic books....

The Santa Claus Oath is one of 6 topics pinned to the top of this section and there are only TEN discussions in the whole section. Is it really that hard to find? Are you referring to this section or something else?

I guess I've built too many websites AND written too many books.

[Mervyn The Hired Hand]

PC Magazine says the average span of attention of persons using a website is about 3 items, and if they don't see what they are looking for in the first three items, they are off to something else. Never mind, let's just drop it. It was just a suggestion, not criticism or an attempt to start an argument. I quit.

[Michael Rielly]

Just now, Mervyn The Hired Hand said:

PC Magazine says the average span of attention of persons using a website is about 3 items, and if they don't see what they are looking for in the first three items, they are off to something else. Never mind, let's just drop it. It was just a suggestion, not criticism or an attempt to start an argument. I quit.

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